Different object?!?!?!?!?

[BASE_689]

Hello out there!!!!
I know, I know. I know that the important thing is to jump, to have fun, to be safe and all the (nice) rest!!!
But this is just to know what the majority of you think about the subject.
We jump what we call now A #1, which is in the municipality #1.
Now we were thinking of spotting (and possibly jump!) its "twin" (=same purpose, same structure, roughly same height, we guess same exit point, for sure very different type of car/walk approach to the object), that we call A #2, which is 1÷1.5 km apart from A #1, and moreover A #2 is in the municipality #2. A #2 has (=can have...) a "similar" landing to A #1.
Now it comes my questions.
Would you consider A #1 and A #2 as different objects?
Having already jumped A #1, after having jumped A #2 would you add another object in your BASE log book?
Stay safe out there
Blue Skies and Soft Walls
BASE #689 :D

[motherhucker]

I don't get it. Why WOULDN'T you classify these as two different objects? Wx can be quite different, even b/t sites that are that close together. Also, each A will have different companies presumably renting space on them--does one have more shite hanging off of it in the form of transmitters/recievers?
I would.

[FFC1]

689

Those 2 objects in question are 2 different objects. Perhaps you can do a distant 2 way off of them. Count down over a radio. Is it really 1 to 1 1/2 km between the objects? Do they support the same wires?

I'm happy to hear that new object is working out.

[base428]

689,

Sounds like two different objects to me.

On a similar note, I would be interested to see what jumpers are logging when they jump the two exit points on Tombstone for instance. While this cliff has multiple exit points very close to one each other, it's the same LZ and cliff. There are many other cliffs just like it (multiple exit points close together) in that same region.

I'd vote that if it's the same cliff and LZ, it's the same object regardless of where you leap.

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Jason Bell (BASE428)
Email: jbell@vertical-visions.com
Web: www.vertical-visions.com or www.bridgeday.info

[SnapperheadTed]

689, I would say they are most definately different objects.
Jason, I agree you on the few cliffs you point out. Besides the actual step off point, the wall is essentially the same.
That being said, what would you consider the various exit points of Kjerag or even Smellvegan? In my book, they are all different objects because of the very different talus/ ledge configurations. I don't think landing area has much to do with it. I cannot imagine someone calling #6 and #4 the same object.

I have been giving it some thought, and I have decided that, yes, I also wish I was Jason Bell. Doesn't everybody? I don't care if he's a little rusty on his climbing terminology. Who cares what a pitch is anyway? (I used to pitch tents in health class, but I think that's different. Maybe DdOg can insult some sense into me.);-)

ps-I know, I know, naming sites is bad blah blah.....

[crabby]

Probably each jumper has their own way of logging objects. There's a whole crabload of Power Towers around here. Each one different. One on this side of the river, and another over on that side of the river, like that. If #4 and #6 were the same object, then they wouldn't have different #'s, eh? I want to be Jason Bell too, but only cuz his wife is totally hot! As for site naming, it's okay as long as it's on the last page of Skydiving Magazine, and only if in an attempt to heckle your nemesis............ I must be on Skydiving Mag's shitlist, cuz I only just got it today! That tale of ML's and TD's was great, I wonder what all the fuss was really about. Working smarter is better than working harder, so a helicopter makes sensimillia. I guess if I want to jump on Baffin I have to get there by kayak?

[bps]

Hi 689 -- I Hope life is treating you well my friend! In my humble opinion, I would classify them as two seperate objects. I've jumped two As with similar circumstances as to what you have described and since they were two physically seperate objects, I counted them as 2 objects.

And a big hello to you Jason. Here's my thoughts on Moab and classifying objects. (once again, just my humble opinion) Generally speaking, I consider similar launch points off the same cliff face to be one abject. For example, Tombstone is one object in my book.

However, one cliff comes to mind where I would classify it as 2 objects. Lips.

There's the normal launch point from "The Lip", and then there's the launch point from "The Brow".

Even though they are only 20ft +/- apart, they are dramatically different jumps in every way. On "Lips" you're launching from an overhanging portion of the cliff and it's on a prominent point that sticks out. From the "Brow", your launching from a higher point and you must launch like hell to clear the side of the "Lip" that is beneath you. And not only do you have to clear the rock, you have to shoot the gap just right or your smacking some sandstone. And then last but not least, your freefalling in a groove -- a completely different portion of the wall at that point. So this is one example of where I would classify 2 objects from the same piece of rock.

Dramatically different exit -- different features in freefall -- different object. Of course, this is just my opinion.

Anyone else?

C-ya!

Bryan