floater exit

[guest]

Hey folks, one of the topics I've never seen discussed is how to do floater exits. I don't know if that's because they are easy or because not too many people do them or what. Basically I've seen lot's of advice on the standard exit (i.e. launch head high, what to visualize and think, etc), but nothing similar on floaters.
So I guess I'm curious: Is there a tendency to pitch backwards or forwards? Is it common and / or advisable to stay vertical and throw in a stand-up (and yes I've seen the CR packing video intro but I still wonder about bridle entanglements in such a position)? Do you just step off backwards, or do you try to impart some pitching motion in one direction or another? etc. etc.
I know I'll get some lame-ass responses like "floaters are in toilets" or "just drop off backwards, duh", but if anyone has any serious input I would be grateful.

[guest]

Hi, curious!
I just can talk about my own experience, I've done a few floaters exits, starting from a standing position and from a run with a 180° when jumping. From a standing position, as you say I just stepped backward, pushing a bit on my legs, keeping eyecontact with the other(s) jumper(s) (like in RW to keep the level), and went naturally flat in freefall. I did not think of throwing my legs backwards or something like that (I might have done it unconsciously). From a run, it was the same. If you've never done it before, you'd better start with an overhanged cliff, just to feel more comfortable.
Sorry but that's all I can say: "just drop off backwards", it works! ;-)
please excuse my bad english, I'm French
c-you on a cliff,
Hugo.

[d-dog]

I think that most folks, on their first floater, tend to over-rotate forward. Then they go head-down, flap their arms a bit, come stable, and are fine.

Thus, the advice I was given was to simply step backwards - not push off too hard or think about rolling forward at all. The forward roll comes naturally, without required input, and any thinking about going belly-down will likely cause a little head-down on one's early floaters. Even with that advice, I rolled forward a bit too much on my first few. Nothing scary, but pretty typical of what I've seen others do on their first ones, too.

Personally, I've never heard of someone rotating backwards accidentally from a floater exit - but I'm a low-timer so maybe it happens all the time and I'm just too wet behind the ears to know better. Still, it seems unlikely from my own experience. Your mileage may vary.

Now, Hugo talked about "running floaters" off cliffs, and I am sitting here trying to envision that in my mind. Seems pretty. . . wild. How do you avoid cliff strike on opening? Or are you guys talking about those phat Euro cliffs where you measure delays in dozens of seconds? We ain't got none of those here - our delays on Es are measured out in little spoonfulls, and a running floater from any of them would certainly be a good way to test one's rear riser correction response. Woah.

Enjoy learning floaters - they are pretty easy, really fun, and present cool visuals from Bs.

Peace,

D-d0g
ddog@wrinko.com
www.wrinko.com

[feral]

Dont offer excuse's hugo 99.9% of us cant speak french .

Hi mate just a big thank you from me and 7 for all the help and give doris a big hug from us as well as she was so much help ,hope to jump with her some day 7 had so many good things to say about her.doris all the bad things 7 said about me were only half true.
ha ha ha
Take it easy mate see you some day in you land ..

bsbd feral
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[guest]

Floater-exit. Example launch point, Perrine. Go over the rail, face the rail. if your right handed, rest your left hand on the rail lightly (enough to hold you there), hold your right arm hand up 90 degrees as though you are launching hand held. Have your left foot on the object, heel and most of the foot hanging over (poised on the ball of the foot), right foot and leg pushed out comfortably back, away from the bridge, over space. Balanced and comfortable, relaxed and leaning forward a little, weight bearing knee (left) bent. Head up. calmly and smoothly push away from the bridge enough to clear the object, shoulders and head back. slide the flat of the left hand off the railing using this to counter any headdown motion that may occur on launch, but basically skip backwards off the bridge using your light left hand as a guide. This means with bent left knee push off, and straighten up from leaning forward, right leg (knee) comes forward as you poise the exit ( leaning forward) and then smoothly back over the abyss as you gently launch; dont snap it. As you clear the jump, assume boxman, shoulders back and head up. They say the secret is head back, watch the object exit point drop away the whole time. deploy. Another way of looking at it would be (on this style) Poise the exit as described leaning forward, bring the right knee forward a bit and then push off only just enough to straighten up and unweight the left toe (weight bearing on the bridge) just enough to slide the left toe off the bridge. (skip backward). You can practise this (having to use more energy) on flat ground, positioning and unweighting enough to skip or slide the ball of the left foot, skip and slide a few times, remaining upright and balanced,and youll get the idea. Youll hear the sliding toe on concrete if ur doing it right. sssssccccrrrkkk! over a height assume boxman after you leave the edge (watching the bridge the whole time) Remember to use the left hand to guide you off, holding the orientation of this version of the zero momentum (or zero rotation exit). Just slide the hand off without input if unnecessary. Admittedly most people just step off backward looking an awful lot like theyd go overbackwards, but my training method may give you a paint by numbers approach until you get the feel of it. Remember to keep your head up and keep watching the object, and be gentle and casual. Hope that helps visualize the mechanics. Practice! Enjoy! Cya!:-)

[guest]

As said about the perrine, a great place to learn em. Where I did mine, and so forth. I recommend going hand held the first time, as it is a major mind phuck to see the bridge span out in front of you. Don't worry about traffic, concentrate on the jump.
anyways, basically just push off backwards, as described above. Just enough to clear the bridge, and look up as you go. The visuals are the best. it's like acid tenfold! Not that I have ever done that, heh heh. umm... what was I saying. Oh yeah, just basically jump off backwards,, keeping an eye on the rail, kind of like the first skydive where you watch the wing drop away. then pitch. CAUTION!! Be prepared for MASS visuals. Bigtime trippy. Whew!!!
And, good luck!
Peace out,
Thomas


"You have to let go to accelerate."---Thomas M. Mauch

[guest]

Hi D-Dog,
Yes, I was talking about this huuuuge cliff: "La mousse" at Lauterbrunnen-Switzerland (a few dozen of seconds). But I'm sure you can do that well off some artic canadian cliffs ;-)
I've got a (good?) question about delays: what is about you the shortest delay for floater exit, 180°, opening? At terminal velocity (after 7 seconds) you can turn a 180 in about 1 second, so it might be safely doable with a 8 second delay, can we go shorter...?
E.!
Hugo
:P

[guest]

Hi D-Dog,
Yes, I was talking about this huuuuge cliff: "La mousse" at Lauterbrunnen-Switzerland (a few dozen of seconds). But I'm sure you can do that well off some arctic canadian cliffs ;-)
I've got a (good?) question about delays: what is about you the shortest delay for floater exit, 180°, opening? At terminal velocity (after 7 seconds, do you agree?) you can turn a 180 in about 1 second, so it might be safely doable with a 8 second delay, can we go shorter...?
E.!
Hugo
:P

[guest]

Hi Feral!
Quite a long time since we met in Norway... Nice to get news from you. We (Doris and I) will be in Le Verdon april 2-16, if 7 and you wanna join you're welcome! And you know you're always welcome home.
Anyway, see you on a cliff, somewhere on this planet,
E.!
Hugo
:P

[d-dog]

Well, I've seen video of some crazy Aussie doing a full floater exit from an 870 foot tower. I estimate the delay from this particular maneuver was, oh, 5 seconds or so. Since I've not done this exit from this object, it would be sloppy for me to provide advice on how to pull this off safely.

Still, I am trying to see in my mind a RUNNING floater exit. Either I'm just stupid, or that exit must take some pretty well managed acrobatic skills to do smoothly.

Peace,

D-d0g
ddog@wrinko.com
www.wrinko.com

[guest]

>Still, I am trying to see in my mind a RUNNING
>floater exit.

Run backwards.

[guest]

Sorry for the mistake, i'll be in Le Verdon MARCH 2-16... not april
C-ya
Hugo &-)

[guest]

Not that difficult, just run (not too fast), and at your last step, instead of jumping straight ahead, push and turn (turn while pushing...) to face the cliff.
I'm not so good at acrobatics but I didn't find that hard to do; if we meet on a cliff, I'll show you
See you

hugo