My Dagger and brake settings

[imported_Mac]

I have been jumping my Dagger266 and enjoying myself ! It has great on heading performance and opens and pressurises very quickly. I am very impressed………….. But…….

I have found though that it seems quite fast in its flying and I am not getting a great deal of flare. This has not been too much of a problem on some of the objects I have jumped but I have jumped a couple of objects where I can see that this is a bit of a problem. I have gone off some low objects (220’) with smaller tighter landing areas. With the on headings it is not a major problem that it flies almost immediately in deep brakes but with the flare point below where I can physically go – I am getting some fast landings with a slight tailwind – I am unable to utilise fully the capability of the canopy. If I were to experience an off heading on the local pylon I have started to jump (220’) - There would be quite good chance of hitting the object with the forward flight after opening.

I am thinking that perhaps I need to adjust the brake settings and shorten the brake lines to enable me to have a complete range.

I would like any advice on how to go about this in the best way to find the optimum positioning of deep and shallow brake settings. Also whether it would be advisable to send the canopy back to Vertigo for any rigging work rather than my own skydiving rigger.

In addition if anyone has any experience of daggers verses Mojo / Fox - can you tell me with the dagger when flown in a very deep brake setting / approach whether its inherent “sportyness” which I have had many people mention – means that some performance and controllability is lost when flown in this configuration.

This low timer will look forward to your advice and thoughts on this......... Thanks

Be Safe Be Low

Michael
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[Skinflicka]

Just exactly how fat are you when you're naked, these days, Mac? You can't tell from the photos in the Sunday Sport.

Seriously, what's your wing loading?

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[imported_Mac]

Skinsta

To much Guiness and Stella have created a large protruding mass from my mid drift! But the women love it!! :9

This has given me a wing loading of 0.7 on my dagger.

[Neil UK]

Hey Mac

Good to see you're "scratching the itch"!

On DBS have you checked CR`s document database? If not got to the document library, and in the technical information section is an article on how to set your DBS.

I appreciate shallow settings will give you more forward speed, but would have thought a 180/serious off heading on a 220 footer is going to be quite exciting regardless of what canopy/DBS you`ve got :+

What toggles are you using? I`d thoroughly recommend Morpheus Big Grab toggles for those off heading moments (My opinion only)

I had DBS, packing tabs, and new tail pocket velcro put on by my rigger and he did a great job. So I`d have to say go with your local guy. It`ll cost a you £120-£130 return to send your canopy back, I know because I`ve just done exactly that

Hope you get your settings dialled in soon

Be safe, enjoy

Neil

[Skinflicka]

Oops. At a wing loading of .78 on my 280 I'd say I need to keep my mouth shut when I'm so far away from the 6 foot mark.

You're including all your gear weight in this calculation, right?

Try jumping in 30-40 MPH tail winds to avoid the severity, if not the frequency, of off-headings from your teeny, tiny 'tenna. This should be practical given the weather in Blighty.



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[imported_Mac]

phuq man - you have been guzzling the most amount of Guiness and Stella! This week you have mainly been eating all the pies!:P


I whacked a bit on for gear - bout half of my skydiving gear weight! - but will check out a accurate measurment at some point! - It aint +- much than 0.7 to be honest!

30-40mph tail winds - mmmmmm like the idea of cutting down the severity of an off heading on the TTT - but with my calcs with an on heading - I will be making it to the river - getting stuck in the mud and drowning before help arrives! :+



Be Safe Be Low

Michael

[imported_Mac]

Had a bit of trouble connecting to CR - will try again!

Thanks for the tip!


Have seen the Big grabs - and have to admit I do like the look of these. Who knows perhaps a purchase in the future.


trouble with scratching this itch - I end up wanting to scratch even more!!!


Be Safe Be Low

Michael

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[guest]

That is the problem with canopies. We have to decide an average weight expectancy for each canopy size and decide on the "stock" brake settings based on this weight. We do put our settings "out in front" of a stall because we don't want a stalling canopy on opening. This is a fine line since the range of weight of a person jumping the same size canopy is great. We need to keep it on the conservative side(not too close to a stall). To find out where your canopy is, skydive it in the slider up configuration. Once the canopy is flying, pull down the brakes until the canopy wants to stall, it will start rocking a bit. Let the brake lines up some and mark it at the ring. Have your local rigger move the settings to your new location and test jump it again to make sure it is at that perfect point (not stalling and flying forward as little as possible). Keep the same distance between the deep and shallow settings, this is a constant.
Thanks,
Jimmy and Marta
Vertigo

[Skypuppy]

Jimmy - Will it make any difference if you use a full slider rather than a mesh slider while skydiving with your base canopy?

[guest]

If you are in Norway(or any other nice fat cliff), you're pulling at terminal, you are not humming it, then a sail slider is fine. A lot of people who jump cameras jump sail sliders for neck insurance. If you are not meeting all three of these parameters, then a sail slider is probably not a good idea. If the reason you are wanting to jump a sail slider is to keep your head from leaving your shoulders on opening, then we would recommend rolling the nose with a mesh slider. The sail slider blocks the air and therefore is more unpredictable than a mesh slider which lets air through. There are definitely opposed opinions on this subject. If you are going to jump a sail slider, start conservative and test your canopy with your slider until you are completely confident with the opening speed and on heading performance, then decide what conditions are appropriate for this configuration.
Thanks
Jimmy