CLINTON'S LAND GRAB

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Do you 4 wheel drive to or near your favorite BASE site? Do you ride motorcycles, snowmobiles, ATV's? Do you own an RV? If so, read on!

Clinton plans the largest land closure in history!
Over 60 million acres of Federal land will be
PERMANENTLY closed to ALL motorized vehicle use.

He plans on doing this WITHOUT GOING THROUGH CONGRESS.

Read more about it here:
http://www.pcisys.net/~bazair2air/rai.htm

Bazil

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not trying to piss you off bazil

but

imo

way !!!!!!!!!! too much gasoline is wasted in america by simply converting it into noise and dust by peope out "recreating" in their atv/motorcycle/dune buggie/snowmobile etc. toys.

hey i do my part
i stopped skydiving so as to not waste jet fuel 8-).

cya
kleggo

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Hi Craig, stating a reasonable opinion is not something that will get me torqued off, no worries brother.

I personally enjoy several high-speed sports, whether that speed is produced by gravity or cranking the throttle of a finely tuned machine I just love the challenge.

I feel we should all be allowed to pursue our challenges, life without challenge=a slow boring death of the soul.

I actively support and financially contribute to the BASE jumpers fight for freedom. It infuriates me to see the freedom's of BASE jumpers stripped away and tossed aside while they are treated like criminals. BASE jumping is the ultimate challenge and generally takes the greatest skill and planning of any sport. Instead of prosecuting and imprisoning the world's greatest *sportsmen, their access to sites should be a God given right and their accomplishments should be applauded.

It simply amazes me that multi-million dollar stadiums are built so that people can play football, baseball and soccer while the BASE jumpers playing field is already in place, but they are arrested or killed for playing in it.
(Long live the memory of Frank P. Gambalie III and Jan Davis)

While in no way rivaling the level of challenge that BASE jumping offers, dirt bike riding and snowmobiling are legitimate sports and the rights of these *sportsmen are under the same ridiculous attack.

All forms of "extreme" sports are under attack, BASE jumping, skydiving, rock climbing, hang gliding, dirt biking just to name a few. Why is that? Hmmm, if you take away the challenge, which is the essence of life, then all you have is a country full of sheep. Sheep are pretty easy to control.

Currently, we are splintered groups focusing on the legal abuses that are being inflicted upon each of us. If we were able to set aside some of our differences and consolidate our efforts on the big picture, the outcome is obvious. BASE jumping would benefit more from this move than any other single group.

However, the bottom line is; our freedom is being raped on a daily basis, IT HAS TO STOP NOW!

Freedom, Damn it!
Bazil

*Non-gender bias

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Craig ol' buddy, I love ya and I'm not trying to piss you off either, but I gotta get right to the points here:

1. Your parachuting equipment is made from the same raw material as the fuel that makes Twin Otters fly:

Oil.

Polluting, no-renewal, politically-manipulatable oil**.

So cut it out, please.

You say you've quit skydiving to cut back your oil consumptiion maybe by giving up Perris or Elsinore Jet A.

But have you actually reduced your oil consumption?

Let's ignore the fact that your BASE gear is made from oil and let me propose a quick math problem for you or anyone else to have a go at. All it takes is a little basic research:

a) Calculate how much Perris Jet A and Amoco Silver it takes for you to drive to the drop zone make 5 skydives, and remember, car and plane costs are divided among all the people using the vehilce.

b) Calculate the amount of Amoco Silver you burn going to and from your last 20 BASE jumps; again, only your portion;

and / or

c) Calculate the amount of Southwest Airlines Jet A you burned flying to any of those last 20 BASE sites.

What is the average cost per jump in each of the two skydiving categories?

= = =

2. Let's stipulate for a moment that you really are reducing your oil consumption by diving into the sky next to cliffs and such with a parachute instead of diving into the sky under airplanes with a parachute. You may have quit skydiving to save jet fuel but, bless your heart, you are NOT putting a gun to the head of every other skydiver and saying: Because of my personal philosophy on resource allocation, nobody else can skydive either.

3. Under Clinton, the federal government has systematically extended its control to vast areas of heretofore "free country " in the western U.S. He's already done this in southern Utah's Escalante Canyon and another area whose location escapes me at the moment. This happened a few years ago.

Now this.

And why is that, do you ever wonder? Have you ever wondered just why exactly the federal governmetn is sytematically making vast tracts of America off-limits to the very people for whom it allegedly holds this land in trust?
Love,

Robin


** Which might not be the case if Hemp had not been made illegal in 1937 through efforts concentrated in the DuPont family and associated oil interests, because DuPont held the patents to petrochemically-based materials such as rayon, dacron, orlon and nylon).

>not trying to piss you off
>bazil
>
>but
>
>imo
>
>way !!!!!!!!!! too much gasoline is
>wasted in america by simply
>converting it into noise and
>dust by peope out "recreating"
>in their atv/motorcycle/dune buggie/snowmobile etc.
>toys.
>
>hey i do my part
>i stopped skydiving so as to
>not waste jet fuel 8-).
>
>
>cya
>kleggo

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Robin,
Maybe it isn't even so much about the hydrocarbon issue as it is about the impact on the fragile ecosystems. They come down on me for leaving bolts and rap anchors or slings in the wilderness that I defy anybody to see without getting right on top of them. By the same token they are trying to preserve the fragile desert from rape. Look at the damage that is being done by casual or social foot paths then multiply it exponentially for the ravages of motorized vehicles.
We all have a responsibility as humans to preserve what we can. We also have a right to take advantage of what nature affords us. There is a balance that I think is finally being tipped in favor of the desert to limit access by 4WD, etc. They are a very strong lobby who have finally been made to compromise.
We aren't as strong a lobby and we weren't able to negotiate a compromise when we blew our access to Nat'l Parks. We are now in that process of renegotiating for that access and hopefully with our "no impact" ethic we will be successful.
Keep the fight in view guys. It ain't about hemp or the Duponts. It's about us growing up and taking responsibility for our actions.
Warm up your bike legs boys and girls... Moab will be our poster child!

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>All it takes is a little basic research:

Now you guys are getting it . . .

Nick
Basic Research
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Jon, I love ya, guy, but please get your head out:

WE're ta;lking prohibition here, not regulation. Take your SAME LOGIC and you end up with a ban on BLM BASE jumping near Moab because somebody MIGHT step on the black stuff.

Our whole problem stems from people who think we have an adverse impact on ecosystems, so they BAN us instead of regulating us.

REgulate 4-wheel activities, don't prohibit them. Or have you been asleep... and just when do we get to the argument that those mountain bikes you closed your copmments with are also unsuitable vehicles for the "fragile desert environment?"

"NO motorized travel" will soon transmorgrify into "NO mechanized travel" and then you get to walk those 50 miles to your BASE site.

Wake UP, JonE dear: Reichfuhrer Willy & Co. are trying to take our land from us, trying top take our guns from us, trying to take our FREEDOM from us.

And, as always, there seems to be some good reason to do so, some reason that seems so simple and reasonable on the surface, but which hides the evil intent below.

And there is evil intent, and always has been with Reichfuhrer Clinton and that psychotic animal who pulls his strings.

So please wake UP, JonE, and remember that Scott Connelly and Joe SUmner and all the little baby Nazis in the National Punk Service are exactly that when compared to Reichfuhrer Clinton and his bid for more lebenraum for his federal troops.

It's not about fragile desert ecosystems, my friend; it's about fragile freedoms paid for in blood during the past two centuries and what good is a pristine desert when you can't see it -- and just how pristine is a desert or a national park when the psychological and legal environment in which it exists is a police state cesspool?

LOve,


Robin

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Robin,
I am not asleep. I have a history of fighting for my rights. I have sent a letter to the Forest Service Chief, Mr Dombeck, as I imagine you have. I e-mailed the President and VP. I protested the implementation of our local scam, the "adventure pass" and continue to do so. I was closely involved in the negotiations with the superintendant of JT on the bolting ban. My head isn't anywhere that it needs to be removed from nor am I on my back with my legs up in the air. It's too hard to aim a weapon from that posture.