What is the best container for base ??? Velcro Base container or Pin(s) Base container ??? And why ...

[guest]

[crwper]

It really depends on the kind of jump you're doing, and your experience level, don't you think?

Michael

[imported_Tom Aiello]

Are you assuming that all pin rigs are equal?

And all velcro rigs are equal?

Sounds like a bit of a stretch to me.

--Tom Aiello
tbaiello@ucdavis.edu

[guest]

Stretch? They gots stretchy rigs now?

coo. I want wun.

but seriously, tom be right arm...

pin v. velcro is like trucks v. cars.

witch wun depend ona job, y'no.

questions shooby:

best velcro rig

best pin rig

hoo-whuts velcro best fer

hoo-whuts pin best fer

chowabunga
:o

[guest]

Are Velcro rigs suitable for terminal delays such as Kjerag?

I'm pretty sure they are... but what if the person wearing the velcro rig was to go unstable while terminal? What is the possibility that the rig could open prematurely?

If the intention (at least) is to stay belly-to-earth on a terminal jump, is a velcro rig acceptable?

Regards,

ERE

[Yuri]

Yo !

Presently, i do not see any reason i will ever buy another velcro rig. Pin-closed containers serve the entire speed and altitude range better, but do require some very basic knowledge to operate safely.

The only remaining benefit of a velcro rig is it's simplicity and foolproofness, thus making it a better beginner rig in certain markets lacking big wall access.

I know a number of people thinking along the same lines. What other arguments are out there ?

bsbd!

Yuri.

[imported_Tom Aiello]

I largely shared Yuri's opinion about velcro being old-school, but good and simple for beginners.

Then, I made a couple of gnarly jumps where, in my opinion, a velcro rig was a huge plus. These were definitely not beginner jumps, but I wouldn't have wanted to do them without a velcro rig.

Here's the situation (a hypothetical to prove the point--the real jumps varied somewhat):

Relatively low altitude freefall (say 350-550').

Big obstacles to clear in freefall (picture a sizeable ledge 200' down). You need to be moving forward pretty fast to clear the ledge.

Limited altitude below the ledge due to imminent ground impact, or other obstacles.

All this leads to:

The need to hold your deployment (no go and throws, or you'll snivel into a ledge or other obstacle).

The need for an immediate, fast deployment when you pitch (a snivel at pull time puts you in the dirt).

So, you want to go hand held, take a bit of delay, and have PRECISE control over your deployment timing.

In other words, you need to be able to hold your PC in your hand for 2-3 seconds without the fear of a pin popping due to bridle flap. This is EXACTLY the situation for which velcro rigs were developed in the first place. And they are still far superior to pin rigs under these conditions.

Although I favor, own almost exclusively, and generally jump pin rigs, this situation convinced me to keep a velcro rig in my arsenal at all times.

I guess what I'm saying is: hand held two second delays aren't just for beginners anymore--and neither are velcro rigs.

--Tom Aiello
tbaiello@ucdavis.edu

[guest]

If one was upgrading to a pin rig is dual pin the only way to go? I figure having a dual pin is protection against a horseshoe mal, which would of course kill you on a base jump. My plan has been for my second rig to be a dual pin. Is there any disadvantages to that or when one says pin rig do they mean dual pin exclusively?

Thanks

[imported_Tom Aiello]

I have owned and jumped both one and two pin rigs.

In my opinion, the rig itself is far more important than the 1 v. 2 pin issue. It's another case of "what's better, cars or trucks?" Kind of depends on the particular car and truck, doesn't it?

I've seen great two pin rigs, and I've seen awful two pin rigs.

On the other hand, the only one pin rig I've seen is Basic Research's Prism. The Prism is my favorite rig, bar none (I presently own and jump two of them).

--Tom Aiello
tbaiello@ucdavis.edu