Line-Over Question

[ZegeunerLeben]

>>Lately I've been thinking alot about slider-up line-overs after watching a video of someone almost spiral in under one. He had a mildly spinning canopy at first, but then popped the toggles and suddenly the caopy started violently spinning straight into the dirt. Finally it clearled about a sec or two from impact. I have a suspicion that line-overs happen more than we'd like to think but they just clear so fast we don't always see it.

>>So if you're under a slider-up line-over, too low/no WLO's and you don't have a hook-knife (or you drop it), what would you do? Try and fly what you have, or pop the toggles and try and clear it? Part of me thinks if I pop the toggles I'll let up on the tail, giving the line-over a better chance of clearing and if it doesn't work at least I burned in trying. But another part of me thinks more docile = more survivable, better to fly what you have in brakes. I read an old thread about it but I'm curious now what people think and why. Thoughts?

[Mac]

Depends on the height, object and the hazards around at the time. If low and full of hazards I would like to try and control it and deal with the landing - popping the toggles whilst low and in a line over situation sounds gnarly as buggery. If low and no hazards I would like to try and control it and deal with the landing. If high and full of hazards I would like to control it until I was able to get into a cleaner area and if I had enough height try and clear it.

In the end I think each situation will be completly different, and I hope to make the correct decision without thinking about it.

Maybe someone with more SU experience and Line over experience would like to share with us what they did / would do.

Edit to add: I would also like to hear from people that have used the HP / WLO type toggles in anger about the jumps you have used them on and how you found their use.

[K]

For slider up jumps, even with the slider controlling the lines, preventing the line over is still an issue. JJ started using masking tape as a tailgate to prevent line overs when using a large mesh slider, and he has hundreds of jumps with this configuration with great results. He would take 3 wraps of normal masking tape around the TGF lines where the tailgate would be used. Anne wasn't so hot on the masking tape idea since it's consistency is not proven, so I began playing with the small mesh slider with the tail gate. I have about 35 jumps with this configuration with great results, and have been showing it to people, especially in Norway.

I've heard of the WLO toggles really saving some people's bacon! If you don't want to experiment with controlling your lines even on a slider up jump, I would recommend the WLO toggles most definitely.

You wouldn't believe how fast the hook knives in the SBK shop sold out the day a girl had a line over that didn't clear and she landed safely on the talus! Lots of people came to watch me pack that day, also.

Douggs also has a great method of wrapping the extra slider material around the control lines on his pack jobs, which is another form of control on the steering lines. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Peace,
K

[baseninja]

I think you can answer your own question...

So if you're under a slider-up line-over, too low/no WLO's and you don't have a hook-knife (or you drop it), what would you do?

Always carry a hook knife, especially on your primarily slider-up rig, and get some WLO toggles. I got some from Vertigo, they are the shizzle. If you get in this sucky situation, I would imagine that you would really hope that you had either a hook knife or some way to release the toggles. Otherwise, fight until the end...

I have used the tape idea for slider-ups, and have had excellent results also. However, I have been taping sticky-side out, but only around the 8/10 brake lines, without the inside c/d lines. Another idea I've been using is to make sure that the tape goes all the way up to the attachment points, since it won't slide up because of the finger trapping, but if you get it up there, I think the position is optimal and won't slide down and away as easily... I also think masking tape is much more consistent than a rubber band wrapped in a variety of different ways? Opinions?