Why do you post to DZ rather than here?

[John Hayes]

John,

BLiNC and DZ.com have very different community ethos, as well as different places in the on-line world, and different roles in BASE.

There are several topics that are pretty much only of interest to experienced jumpers that I feel belong here, on BLiNC.

Turf wars are pretty much not in keeping with the DZ.com community spirit (plus, they mostly only concern us BASE jumpers). So, I think they belong here, not there.

If we're going to have shouting matches between BASE jumpers, I suggest we do it in our own "house" (i.e. BLiNC), rather than out in front of the skydivers (i.e. at DZ.com).

Shouting matches? Jesus christ dude!! all I did was try to tell everyone that he was trying to mislead them by his post. And you got all bent out of shape about it.
Leroy trolls through the forums posting in the threads that my freinds and I post on.
Did you take a look at his signature line like I asked? I guess not because it still refers to me and my DZ. So yes Tom it does look like your protecting him, instead of as you said "I'm not protecting anyone, except perhaps the forum readers who don't want to keep reading about Leroy." If you're trying to protect the readers then why not jump in his **** for jacking threads and causing trouble ,instead of mine for telling the truth!!!!
Oh since you continue to let him use his sig line to try and piss me off, I have changed mine as well to poke back.

[John Hayes]

Tom is right, there are certain things that you can do on BLiNC that you cant do on DZ........

I agree. So far I have been able to speak out in the forum without the threat of being banned.

[Tom Aiello]

I agree. So far I have been able to speak out in the forum without the treat of being banned.

As it should be. Different forums, different rules, different feel.

I'm not the guy who sets the tone for either community. I am one of the guys who helps to enforce it. I'm not going to apologize for that.

It sounds to me like you're more comfortable here. There's nothing wrong with that. If you don't like the way the game is played over there, just don't go over there.

[Tom Aiello]

Shouting matches? Jesus christ dude!!

Having the benefit of seeing where the previous thread went, and having been able to read his response to your post (and your responses to his previous posts), I didn't think that exchange had a place on the DZ.com forums.

Did you take a look at his signature line like I asked? I guess not because it still refers to me and my DZ.

Sure I did. I believe it said something about how your DZ rules. Perhaps you're being a bit oversensitive if that offends you.

If you're trying to protect the readers then why not jump in his ****

As I believe I said a few posts back in this thread, I've taken more moderator action on posts of his than on posts of yours.

[rhondalea]

Rhonda, in all the fairness I have left for this situation, you really have to read up on this. Every single person that has at one point sided with this person,

I wouldn't think of siding with Leroy; I don't know Leroy at all, and my days of advocating for the underdog are over. My personal experience is that in the end, the underdog will never fail to bite the hand that feeds him.

But that's not the point. You can't win with this. It doesn't matter how right you are or how much you explain.

If it is true that Leroy is just your ordinary, garden-variety, everyday narcissist, I take back the part about irony. A true narcissist doesn't understand irony, for one thing. For another, he is like teflon; he never actually feels the impact of his actions, so for him, nothing bad ever happens because of what he does. And if that's true of Leroy, then he probably really believes that he wasn't invited "due to prior arrangements." But there's really no way for me to tell from this distance.

But even that isn't the point. The point is that it is a matter best handled anywhere but on the internet. Consider how much power Leroy has accumulated from this: because of Leroy's actions, John is now over here on Blinc bitching about Tom.

One more division in a very small group that is already incredibly fractured. How good is that for the BASE community?

rl

[Mac]

I agree. So far I have been able to speak out in the forum without the threat of being banned.

Well to be honest I can also ban you from here too. But as Tom says, he only moderates to the way and feel of the certain board. BLiNC has one way, and DZ has another. If you dont like DZ then dont post there. We all know the rules and regs on DZ, and if you want to be able to bitch a bit more, then BLiNC is more forgiving

[mknutson]

I appreciate this thread, bu wanted to make note of a common statement here in the posts:
"I use BLiNC as my master database of information" or something to that accord.

Well, that is good in theory and makes me feel great that BLiNC is still so important, however, what you are missing is that BLiNC is only the master database right now because I hav been around so long, and had so much support in the past. When the postings stop, so does the increase in amount of data BLiNC has. And then eventually, BLiNC will get passed up and not be relevant at all, except for historical comments by people long fallen.

The only way BLiNC will continue to be the master database of BASE infomation, and historical record is to continue to increase the amount of data on it. Thus, postings, and articles. Without that, it is just a matter of time before..........

I am assuming that alot of people posting on DZ also read BLiNC, so I am curious on why people are choosing to post to DZ rather than here?

[rhondalea]

I agree. So far I have been able to speak out in the forum without the threat of being banned.

I know I'm pointing out the obvious, but Tom's a moderator on this board too.

[matt]

I wouldn't think of siding with Leroy; I don't know Leroy at all, and my days of advocating for the underdog are over. My personal experience is that in the end, the underdog will never fail to bite the hand that feeds him.

But that's not the point. You can't win with this. It doesn't matter how right you are or how much you explain.

If it is true that Leroy is just your ordinary, garden-variety, everyday narcissist, I take back the part about irony. A true narcissist doesn't understand irony, for one thing. For another, he is like teflon; he never actually feels the impact of his actions, so for him, nothing bad ever happens because of what he does. And if that's true of Leroy, then he probably really believes that he wasn't invited "due to prior arrangements." But there's really no way for me to tell from this distance.

But even that isn't the point. The point is that it is a matter best handled anywhere but on the internet. Consider how much power Leroy has accumulated from this: because of Leroy's actions, John is now over here on Blinc bitching about Tom.

One more division in a very small group that is already incredibly fractured. How good is that for the BASE community?

rl

Rhonda, I agree that this is a no win but the method of propogation is. This hasn't given Leroy as much exposure as you would imagine as he never leaves DZ.com. This is where we can talk about that stuff and not have to tip toe around "proxy morals". I really feel bad that this wasn't talked about here sooner since Tom doesn't have to "G" rate us here. I also agree that this needs to be handled elsewhere but other issues of a coward arise then. I am currently dislocated from him and called him on the tele but he still made up some crap and posted it on the site. It doesn't matter, he is a virus. A virus without immunization. Killing his means of relaying his bull is the only way. Give a voice and you give power. That is my only beef(no pun) with how it was handled.

I, however, will frequent here now and hopefully not do something to get me booted. That's it.....MATT E

[Mac]

I know I'm pointing out the obvious, but Tom's a moderator on this board too.

difference here is that there are a few moderators and we all discuss with each other any actions that are taken / are to be taken.......

[rhondalea]

difference here is that there are a few moderators and we all discuss with each other any actions that are taken / are to be taken.......

I should have been more specific, but I didn't really want to be. Sometimes it's just better for people to understand what is not said, even though you can't always count on them to do so.

Anyway, I was referring to John's claims about Tom both in this thread and on dz.com. If those claims have a basis in fact, Tom could have as easily exercised his moderator's privilege on this board, and deleted John's posts here as well as there. But he didn't. Therefore, John's perception of why Tom deleted his posts on dz.com is incorrect.

That's all I was trying to say. I know I'm repeating myself, but I hate to see the endless fracturing of community bonds. Especially over something this petty.

rl

[Skydawg]

The only way BLiNC will continue to be the master database of BASE infomation, and historical record is to continue to increase the amount of data on it. Thus, postings, and articles. Without that, it is just a matter of time before..........

Ta Da Like this http://www.blincmagazine.com/forum/s...53448#poststop

[mknutson]

Yes!

Thank you very much!

Ta Da Like this http://www.blincmagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=53448#poststop

[rhondalea]

The only way BLiNC will continue to be the master database of BASE infomation, and historical record is to continue to increase the amount of data on it. Thus, postings, and articles. Without that, it is just a matter of time before..........

Speaking of historical records...

Is there something that can be done to make the old posts more easily searchable?

Except as a stroll down memory lane for the hard-core reader, the very early posts aren't very useful as a reference.

As I watch this latest brouhaha with Leroy, I remember other, older brouhahas that have the potential to be quite instructive (and even amusing) in the here and now. As at least two people have said in the last few weeks, "Those who do not learn the lessons of history..." and so on.

It would be...well, not "nice" exactly, but possibly useful...to be able to point to older events and catfights as warnings for the present and future. At the very least, it might save someone, somewhere some time at the keyboard.

[mknutson]

The new forum has similiar posts section at the bottom of each posting. This is a great help to see att eh similiar posts.

This sounds like what you are asking for....
What were you wanting?

Speaking of historical records...

Is there something that can be done to make the old posts more easily searchable?

Except as a stroll down memory lane for the hard-core reader, the very early posts aren't very useful as a reference.

As I watch this latest brouhaha with Leroy, I remember other, older brouhahas that have the potential to be quite instructive (and even amusing) in the here and now. As at least two people have said in the last few weeks, "Those who do not learn the lessons of history..." and so on.

It would be...well, not "nice" exactly, but possibly useful...to be able to point to older events and catfights as warnings for the present and future. At the very least, it might save someone, somewhere some time at the keyboard.