Oh dear dDog

[E Raist]

Doug,

Happy Birthday...

-=Raistlin

[Raymond Losli]

Hey.. L.J. and everyone else.......Please remind me of what the hell we
are arguing about.......Uhhhh Oh..... Doug Spink

The whole.. Doug Spink/ D-dog, experience... just smacks with Dark and negative energy.
that continues from his family and business and now effect....
My BASE jumping FUN....What are we doing ?

This is getting blown way out of proportion. Why are we arguing ?
The subject of Doug Spink is causing argument and negative feeling with
friends that don't argue. This is bad / people talk about there experiences with him and what ?
It just causes Negative energy with people that were friends and didn't argue before this.

My brush with Doug affected me overall, Negatively. and the MONEY issue was not it.
I apologize and should not have told you how I feel or what has happened to me.
Now we are arguing over what ?

The why's and Do and don't and the reasons why he screwed up his life so severally.
That's Doug's..Black Cloud that He created and it is for Him to figure out how to fix or change.
and maybe a psychiatrist/ Counselor to help figure out.

I and everyone else is involved should be jumping and happy and smiling.
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Growing on you like...Mold
...Ray
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Also:
And if this Post is not good enough for you ....
You can F##king Blow Me.
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[Tom Aiello]

I've removed the same links from this thread twice. The moderators are currently discussing the appropriateness of these posts to this forum.

I'm temporarily locking this thread, and we'll unlock it once the mods come to some conclusion about whether or not to allow those posts.

[Johnny Utah]

Within any moderator discussion, I am usually the guy speaking out for the forum users, for non-censorship and letting the forum users communicate how they want. I dont think all of the recent posts about ddog were breaking forum rules but they are just so damn disgusting.

On a personal level, that crap is xtremely gross and bothers me. But as a moderator I would like us to have as open a forum as we can. The problem with the BASE Zone is that it has largely become a Tom Aiello popularity contest as he deletes and manipulates post to his liking in a way that abuses his moderator position (he said it himself). I would like the BASE board to stay a place where BASE jumpers can come and communicate to each other how they want.

Obviously some people have opinions on this matter of ddog. (respecting freedom of speech) Perhaps you can make your comments about ddog (without calling him names) and not post all the links and descriptions and gross crap. I don’t think all that kind of crap has a place on a BASE forum.

That way we can maintain our freedom of speech here, without it turning into a cesspool of filth thanks to ddog. Seriously, thanks to ddog and the fact that he loves to post online about his moral depravity, Im discussing this crap in the moderators forum.

So I say make your post, say what you want (yes apparently ddog was into some disgusting, ill behavior and he did post it all over the internet, and it is xtremely gross to me so please dont post any more links to these disgusting websites or say really gross stuff, please man.

[rhondalea]

I didn't miss a post, and I saw the pictures.

Here's my question: What's the point of all this?

And here's my suggestion: If the moderators decide to leave these posts here, or even permit discussion of the activities depicted, you'd best be entirely certain that they are what they purport to be. The internet offers the potential to "defame by photoshop" and other means, and this would not be the first or even the thousandth time that faked material was used to destroy someone's reputation.

Finally--and this is directed to everyone--unless you're prepared to contact the appropriate authorities in an effort to enforce the various applicable laws, it's not your business what someone else does unless they're doing it to you or have the potential to do it to you.

In this case, that is not the case.

My thoughts on this otherwise remain my own, and Doug remains my friend.

rl

[Pauly]

I will state it again. (Hope this post stayes here) Thank all of the gods of morality that have joined in on this pointless thread of a BASE post... We all get our say, that is to be sure...... I can see that alot of folks don't like this man. I did not know him. However far be it for any of us to judge like many are judging him. Man it's like all the people that judge us for our behavior. i.e (tresspassing, B+E, telling lie's, defying authority) I am sure glad none of us live in glass houses..

If he f***** you out of money be it a lesson to ya, I have been screwed out of $$$ before but only once from that person...........


P.S He is in jail serving time for his crime... You are free

"What the f*** are you bitchin' for"

Oh, for a minute there I thougt Pat Buchannan was on the Board

"let the puppies sleep"

[badenhop]

Hello,
This is an odd twist, where I disagree with Rhonda, and agree with Johnny.
Rhonda wrote:
>>it's not your business what someone else does<<
This lack of accountability is what is entirely wrong with the world.
Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.
Having sex with animals is evil, as is smuggling truckloads of cocaine.
The doer of the deeds is quite disgusting, and should be held accountable.
This thread is quite disgusting, and has nothing to do with BASE.
Can we get back to BASE now?

[ManBird]

Originally Posted by badenhop

Can we get back to BASE now?

Indeed. Headed out to jump my ass off all weekend! May 16, we'll see if karma, justice, or whatever, you want to call it -- catches up with this man.

[rhondalea]

This is an odd twist, where I disagree with Rhonda, and agree with Johnny.
Rhonda wrote:
>>it's not your business what someone else does<<
This lack of accountability is what is entirely wrong with the world.?

I agree that the lack of accountability is what is wrong with the world. I am fearful, however, of how we implement accountability. Everyone has an opinion of how the world should be run. Some act on it. In the most extreme example, some leveled a couple of very tall buildings.

Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

Agreed. But first you have to define evil. And then, somehow, you must make it square with "my right to swing stops at the end of your nose." Heinlein asked: "Who decides?" My theoretical answer is "I decide only for me." My practical answer has gotten me in trouble more often than not, because I am hot-headed and judgmental unless I guard carefully against being so.

The hard part of that is that there is gut-wrenching evil in the world, and someone does have to stop it, but as I said above, implementation is the rub.

Having sex with animals is evil, as is smuggling truckloads of cocaine.

This is not about me disagreeing with you, Avery. It's about what I wrote above. I was educated as a philosopher, specifically as an ethicist. I know what I believe to be good and evil, but I recognize some of what I believe to be based on no more than my gut instinct. And the trouble with that is that much of what we crusade against is the direct result of the gut instinct of someone else.

The doer of the deeds is quite disgusting, and should be held accountable.

I am also--for most of my life--a wildlife rehabilitator, and I have been known to be extremely confrontational with abusers of animals.

In this case, I'm inclined to take a more pragmatic view, but I don't really want to get into the ins and outs of that in this forum.

This thread is quite disgusting, and has nothing to do with BASE.
Can we get back to BASE now?

That would be a good thing.

I don't always agree with you, Avery, but I respect you, and I know you to have a good heart. What I have written above is intended to further explicate my earlier post, and should not be construed by anyone as a desire on my part to argue with you. Because I won't.

rl

Rhonda,

I'm posting with a new account so I'm not accused of being a Doug supporter or a Doug detractor and then have the regulars on my case for my post.

The facts are, I see that "Fausty" signed up for that account on that sickening cesspool May of 2004, this was well before he was arrested and all the $hit hit the fan as it has. If this account had been signed up for last week over there I would be wondering, but it's almost a year old already and has 190 posts connected to that author, it says so there, okay? It also says he was banned, okay? It's only because of people probing and searching that this was found, and others telling what they know or found.

I went to read a bunch of these posts, many of them give out small details that lead right back to Doug with those who know him. Such as the off-hand mention of owning a $200,000 stallion, Golden Retrievers and doing horse jumping shows, his "location" field saying "Langley B.C", the photos showing his rather unique jewelry like the Hafada and Prince Albert.
If you take the time to read most of the posts made under that name they have Doug written all over them, the author is hiding behind the screen name but letting slip a few careless details over a year's time, the most damning of which are the photos showing his stallion Capone in a stall that is recognized, showing a portion of his face which has also been recognized by those who know him. The photo of his face is clearly cropped to hide as much as possible but just enough shows to identify it as Doug. In that photo he is drinking <I won't say what> from a champaign glass, not exactly what I would say one could be busted for. The rest of the photos show his Mastiff, Great Dane and his unique "jewelry" which if anyone here has gone to the "men's room" with him you no doubt have seen it because he was very proud of it as he was his ear rings and I suppose his nail polish, which by the way shows up in one of the photos over there if you look real close.
If you continue reading his posts there, you will find some have digital video clips attached to them, but you can't access them unless you pay for an "elite" account, something I won't do just to check the clips to tell me what I already know who is in them.

I found the posts regarding the reasons why he is listed as "Banned" there, the moderators posted responses to him telling him he was breaking the rules, argumentative and other problems of that nature I won't go into, it deteriorated into quite a flame-fest. Doug's last fare-the-well post there basically told the moderators to shove it because he believed in free speech and wanted to say whatever he wanted to there about his childhood sexuality, he packed up his toys and left in a huff, even the attitude sounds like Doug too.

There is even a post on that forum that warns other members that might have had personal contact with him via emails or exchanged photos to be sure to wipe their hard drives in case the Feds trace things on Doug's computers back to them.
It seems a few people there knew him and were communicating with him off the board privately. One other post mentioned that he was called at the house by people from there I assume and didn't like that at all and seemed quite angry about it, so that alone tells me someone had his phone number no? phone number = name and address.

No Rhonda, 190 posts and the photos plus a lot more are not some "conspiracy" to defame someone through an elaborate plot, the man is already in jail almost certainly for the rest of his life, it doesn't matter what he did now, he is wiped out bankrupt, wife is gone, money is gone, animals are gone, he is finished and he brought it on himself that's a fact.

I am sorry if all this hurts your friendship and memories of him, but the facts have been coming out, he was a liar, a fraud, has harmed or hurt many people in different walks of his life, and now he is in a cell probably for life because he wanted to keep living the millionaire life he led stepping on other people to get there. Just read the newspaper articles about the lawsuits and other angry business partners. It's a tragedy all around for everyone, him, us, his wife, his kids, his animals, his friends, his business associates. His daughters will be taunted as the kids of a coke dealer and jail-daddy, that alone is a tragedy that will affect them in the worst way all their lives- the daddy they lost because of stupidity. And then Judy, good God what she must be going through in all of this.

But dammit all! DOUG was responsible for this, he alone caused his downfall and he may never get out of prison because of the lousy choices he made in his life himself, end of story, period, finito, the end.

[rhondalea]

Rhonda,

[snipped a bunch of stuff]

I am sorry if all this hurts your friendship and memories of him,

It doesn't, but thank you for having compassion for me.

but the facts have been coming out, he was a liar, a fraud, has harmed or hurt many people in different walks of his life.

I'm not going to argue about Doug, but I can promise you that you didn't read what I wrote carefully enough.

Anyone who knows me knows how much I love to debate. But I no longer twist myself into a preztel or defend the indefensible on account of my friends. It was a hard lesson, but I finally learned that it isn't necessary. If I call you "friend," then when the sh1t hits the fan and you call on me, I will not turn away from you--no matter what you've done.

rl

Originally Posted by Raymond Losli

I got to know Doug Spink...a little better than most.but ...Not as good as others.
So I would stop by a lot of mornings on my way to the job.

Then say Hi and What-up, Doug would usually be up all night or just getting home
and we would talk a little about jumping or what-ever. bla..bla.. anyway
I asked him one time ..What exactly he did for a Living.... ?
It was getting a little obvious something was a little Odd. The house were he stayed
was about ..5000+ sq. Ft...Huge.. but empty...No furniture/curtains/ no heat/little food.
Nothing.. just six dogs a phone, a Personal computer and sleeping quarters.

I asked and. he told me.... He Said.... " I am a .Opportunist".
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Raymond, read on because this confirms what you said and vice versa, two general posts from that other board are below, they all say "I'm Doug" without saying it in black text. I wanted to confirm what Raymond posted above, but I think this is my final word on this I've seen more than enough and even my eyes feel dirty looking over that visual filth on that site

Here is one he as "Fausty" posted in response to "What is your dream home?" he mentions his

He mentions living in a 6,000SQ FT house on 80 acres, having a weekly cleaning
service coming in and 6 dogs. He mentions how empty
the house was with all those rooms where most went
unused.

Then he mentions living in a barn and cooking on a
baseboard heater. They have Doug written all over them

Another post said that he told a few very close friends
about his more "intimate" relations with animals, so there are people in his circle of friends who knew about this.


This was posted way back last September on
that site with the photos


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For a few years, I lived in a 6,000sf house with my
boys. In truth, I bought the place for the property
(80 acres), and not the house, but even so the house
just became a ball and chain around my neck. Too big!
All those rooms, it seems cool at first but even the
ones I managed to populate with something or other
ended up getting dusty and dirty so quickly (6 dogs
living in the house with me, and no matter how clean
one keeps them, in the winter they will track in some
mud which turns to dust in the dry house).

Even with cleaning service once a week, the house was
rarely truly clean. It just seemed like we lived in 2
or 3 rooms, and the rest was excess baggage.

Since then, I spent almost a year living in a 10-stall
barn with my horses and dogs. Truthfully, it's the
happiest I've ever been in my life. I know that my
true family is all safe and sound, since I can see
them all right there - no "checking on the barn"
before bed, and waking at night worrying if the horses
are ok." sad.gif For me, there's nothing as soothing
and peaceful as the sound of my equine friends
munching on hay as I drift off to sleep, with the dogs
sleeping on the bed with me! I had the best nights
sleeping I've ever had, that year.

Now, I'm back living in a house, sorta, though it's
less than 50 meters from my stallion barn. The house
is nice only 'cause it has a kitchen and bathroom
(when I was living in the barn, I heated food by
placing it on the electric baseboards, and took baths
by filling up a bin with hot water. . . workable, but
a bit rough even for me ohmy.gif ). However, I'd still
much prefer to be in the barn sleeping.

So, my "dream house" is in fact an integrated
house/barn that I'm designing in bits and pieces as
this winter goes by. Stalls on the ground floor, along
with the kitchen and repro lab. Spiral stairs to the
upstairs, which is the "clean" area where no shoes are
allowed and dogs have to be wiped down to enter.
However, the upstairs and downstairs tie together with
two-story open spaces, so that even when upstairs I
can see and interact with the horses in their stalls.

Of course, being an unreconstructed introvert and
someone who has little use for humanity, our place
will be situated out in the backcountry on a few
hundred acres of mountain/valley terrain. Only one
driveway entrance, plenty of security procedures to
enter the property. All of the paddocks and pastures
are surrounded by land I control, so there's no chance
of sniper engagement. Buried storage containers for a
shooting range and space for growing "cash crops" to
finance us safely and securely. tongue.gif

I'd say we're 12 months away from purchasing this
land, and 2 years away from beginning construction.
Dreams are nice, but I like goals better. . . "a goal
is a dream with a deadline!" cool.gif

Peace,

Fausty & Friends
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Here he mentions a training his stallion for the upcoming competitive horse circuit, running
email lists as a moderator, all of these posts there have Doug written all over them even if they don't come right out and include his name.




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As, BF says, we're all doing ok out here. With the
winter rains fast approaching, I'm rushing to get
completed as many outdoor projects as possible!
wink.gif After a bit of a break, we're also doing more
schooling with the stallions to prepare them for the
winter competitive circuit. <rubs sore lower back>
getting old sucks. cool.gif

I've also been re-considering my interest in posting
materials here in the future. For me, it is important
to participate in a friendly, positive, healthy
environment - particularly when that participation
includes sharing photos and videos that my boys and I
produce ourselves. . . at the cost of not
inconsiderable time and effort. When those materials
are used as part of a for-profit site like this, and
simultaneously a miasma of negative moderator behavior
develops, it simply makes me think.

I've nothing against for-profit sites, nor against
porn per se; I enjoy well-produced material that shows
genuine cross-species sexuality as much as anybody.
However, in the 10+ years I've participated in online
discussions, I've seen many a "community" implode on
the energy of poor moderator behavior.

Having moderated more than a few boards and email
discussion lists (remember those? wink.gif ) in my
time, I well understand the need for proper and
consistent moderation. I also understand that,
sometimes, moderators get overly-focused on the
"power" of their role. Naturally, I am not
particularly fond of being on the receiving end of
arbitrary displays of power - particularly online,
particularly in the context of voluntary discussion
boards, and particularly when I'm contributing
significant materials to that very same board. dry.gif

Being accused of supporting child-porn in the context
of discussing my own personal, firsthand sexual
history in the most general terms (thanks, LadyR), for
example, rubs me altogether the wrong way
(particularly given that my "critique" of the
no-under-18-discussions rule - which I have
scrupulously followed in every discussion here -
amounted to one added emoticon: " rolleyes.gif ").
That's an intensely serious issue to me, and flippant
accusations in that area cause me to seriously wonder
about my interest in being here, among other things.
That accusation essentially shut down altogether an
interesting conversation about how each of us came to
discover, understand, and perhaps embrace our own rare
and complex sexuality during puberty. Yes, I
understand that a for-profit porn site like this
doesn't want to get tangled in anything related to
child pornography. I suspect that few groups are less
tolerant of child porn - and less interested in it on
any level - than actual zoos. Spinning that genuine
issue into a mini-jihad against substantive discussion
of our own personal development as zoos is a
far-fetched contortion. Doing so in a nasty and
accusatory manner is altogether unjustified,
unecessary, and just plain rude.

Perhaps that conversation about our own personal
histories wasn't doing enough to sell porn videos
here, and consequently it wasn't deemed worthy of
serious consideration. However, for those of us who
actually are living with and embracing positive,
healthy cross-species love and physical intimacy
(rather than just acting as paid mods on a for-profit
discussion board regarding same), such issues are why
we come here and why we share our own experiences and
knowledge. Finding our substantive discussions
flattened by ham-handed accusations of child porn
sympathy is, thus, insulting and hurtful on a number
of practical and emotional levels.

You certainly have the right to say those things,
however wrong-headed and inappropriate those
statements may be; I certainly have the right to
vehemently object to that categorization. Further, I
have the right to leave if I feel it ethically and
morally necessary on my part. In this case, I may well
come to that conclusion.

Anyway, at present I'm still thinking on the
situation. There are more than a few good forums for
discussing zoosexuality - or any other topic - on the
'net. We, collectively, choose which best meet our
standards and we animate them with our contributions
and discussions. For me, open discussion and positive
interaction are an absolute priority in making this
choice.

I've more than enough "real life" activities calling
for my attention, not to mention a plethora of other
boards in which I participate in one form or another.
In truth, I get nothing worthwhile out of negative,
power/control focused discussion boards.

I have no interest in conflict - either I enjoy this
place and find it a valuable resource, or I don't and
I'll continue on with my life elsewhere. There is
simply no reason to do otherwise.

Peace,

Fausty & Friends

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After he posted that the moderators posted a response,
one thing one of them mentioned was a quote that
"Fausty" has a friend whose fiance is an FBI agent.

Here was another reply by a moderator which tells why he was banned from there

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Where is Fausty?
He has joined a new member group
The banned member group
After bashing mods here, he bashed one in another
thread also, he seems to have a problem with
authority. For someone with so much moderator
experience, you would think he would know better.
Maybe he is now persuing other interests wink.gif
Original question has been answered, I am gonna lock
it down, no reason for further discussion

He's in jail. ****ed up and in deep ****. You all MUST have better things to do than "trip" on this. Move the F*ck ON! Spend less time "google-ing" and more time jumping, or, hey, get a job!!!!. I've heard the F-B-I is hiring...(said with my best Hannibal Lector accent). Really, move on.

Best Regards,

Sandy

[KidWicked]

Has he been sentenced yet?

[KidWicked]

Sorry, what I should have said was: Has his trial taken place yet.