WLO TOGGLES

[marderdj]

wanted to get feedback on these in a slider off jump.

anyone ever toy with routing your toggles through the keeper rings with slider off using the WLO toggles?

The only drawback i see is that it is easier to let go of a toggle with a line over than it is to release using the WLO function.

what do you guys think?

[gofastmax]

I would not try it myself. Most of my slider off stuff results in very short canopy rides that I would have no time to look up for more than a second, let alone fumble with the wlo release. Plus on those low and short canopy rides I really like to have the added canopy control that I get with the lines outside of the rings, It seems more responsive to me that way...

[marderdj]

that was my train of thought too...thought maybe someone had success with this

[seekfun]

I see the likelihood of failing to toss a toggle as pretty low. Unless it caught on clothing, a hangnail, or the like, you're probably not going to fail to toss a toggle away.

But, the release loop on the WLO toggles is something you certainly could miss on the first reach, especially if your canopy is flailing about, the ground is coming up fast, and the pressure machine is ON.

Additionally, if you did use the WLOs for slider-down or slider-off, you'd have to consider the opening forces on your toggle stows. And you'd have to decide how to stow your toggles for such a configuration. If you're slider-off, the steering lines would not be passing through the slider grommets, and therefore you could have some fairly high lateral forces on the steering lines that your toggle stowing method would have to accommodate.

Just some thoughts...from a newbie...discount them at will.

~ Chris

[Huck]

Why would you even consider this? What's the point....WLO's are for SU jumping. Any lineover problems on SD just throw that fukin' toggle.

[couloirman]

well, to switch this thread over to something a little bit more constructive:

It has always seemed odd to me that so many people would choose to not jump WLO toggles slider up when they seem to provide a large safety margin compared to a hook knife, or nothing at all. Sure, it makes the system a touch more complicated, and adds a very small chance of a misfire, but the advantages seem to so far outweigh the potential downsides to the system that other than the $75 they cost to get I see no other valid reasons to not have them as one more piece of safety equipment in your arsenal.

If you choose not to jump WLO's slider up, why not?

I just ordered a pair and plan to always use them slider up, because if there is something out there that could possibly make my jump a little safer, why not use it? Is it just because it seems like too much work to switch out toggles every time you wanna switch from slider up->slider down and vice versa?

[doogi]

I ALWAYS jump with my WLO toggles slider up... the new ones have a longer pin than the old ones conquering the misfire problem, as far as I've heard (not to say it isn't possible)

As for jumping WLO toggles slider down/ off, I wouldn't recommend it. I have found the WLO toggles to be both slightly more bulky and rigid... and I have accidentally knocked them off while reaching up to grab them. I have heard this similar problem from other jumpers as well, stick to LRT... regardless its all personal preference

[bodyguard]

It has been said that with the additional shock from a slider down/off, The pins in a WLO can become bent and not perform when it is needed most ,so you could really end up not helping your situation,

but while slider is down why not just keep the lines routed outside and keep it simple thats how BASE is meant to be aint it?
my
2cents are not worth reading about but if you did then good for you..

Additionally, if you did use the WLOs for slider-down or slider-off, you'd have to consider the opening forces on your toggle stows. And you'd have to decide how to stow your toggles for such a configuration. If you're slider-off, the steering lines would not be passing through the slider grommets, and therefore you could have some fairly high lateral forces on the steering lines that your toggle stowing method would have to accommodate.



~ Chris

[FreeFallFiend]

I had a WLO toggle release on a 3 sec delay slider off gainer spanker. I was able to grab the steering line and land ok but still lost a $40 toggle to the bottom of the Perrine. Expensive mistake but could have been worse. I bought a set of regular non WLO toggles the same day.

[gofastmax]

I had a WLO toggle release on a 3 sec delay slider off gainer spanker. I was able to grab the steering line and land ok but still lost a $40 toggle to the bottom of the Perrine. Expensive mistake but could have been worse. I bought a set of regular non WLO toggles the same day.

You can also just remove the pin and use it like a standard toggle. Toggles are great when installed.... :eek

[marderdj]

I am finding that these toggles are great for slider up, but I am changing out for slider down. Blown 2 pins in last 15 jumps from 2-4 second slider down jumps. My original post was to consider routing toggles through keeper rings on slider down since the release was able to be done with the toggle... Too much work, and often not enough time. After this past weekend I am def keeping these on slider up, but will remove pin and use toggle for slider down... Too much opening force seems to blow these, even with the current upgrades to pin length.

[couloirman]

Just got mine in the mail today. there's absolutely no issue with using a bar tacked toggle loop for both slider up and down toggle attachments when switching between the 2 configurations right?

Do I just throw on a bar tack exactly where the loop is now? Other than very slightly increasing steering line length when slider up, I personally don't see any problems with it and contacted apex as well about it, but I just thought Id ask before I had my steering lines modified.

Thanks

EDIT: I said something retarded about the position of the bartacked toggle loop affecting brake settings and deleted it because obviously it would not change it.

[Para_Frog]

I would not try it myself. Most of my slider off stuff results in very short canopy rides that I would have no time to look up for more than a second, let alone fumble with the wlo release. Plus on those low and short canopy rides I really like to have the added canopy control that I get with the lines outside of the rings, It seems more responsive to me that way...

What he said.

I wanna be able to chuck toggles immediately without looking up if I'm low.

[hookitt]

Too much opening force seems to blow these, even with the current upgrades to pin length.

What model are you using? I have a ton of slider down jumps using this style WLO toggles.

[Weightless]

Does anyone have any experience with these toggles from Adrenaline BASE?
http://www.adrenalinbase.com/accesso...hp?Id=100&L=en

How they handle slider off opening force etc?